11.43 pm, Saturday November 21 2009

Father, daughter incest pair 'lived under same roof'

16:00 AEST Mon Apr 7 2008
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By Matt Bachl
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An ex-wife of the South Australian man who had a baby with his daughter has rubbished claims the pair had almost no contact for 30 years.

Dorothy Deaves told ninemsn John and Jenny Deaves, who have now had two babies together, lived under the same roof when Jenny was a 15-year-old girl.

John and Jenny claimed in an interview broadcast on 60 Minutes that they began a sexual relationship after Jenny tracked down the father she had never known.

But Jenny attended Dorothy and her father John's wedding reception in 1984 and stayed with them for a week, Ms Deaves claims.

The 69-year-old said Jenny stayed with them four times during their marriage, which collapsed after the father-daughter duo took a trip together to Dubbo in 2000.

Dorothy said both father and daughter broke up with their marriage partners after the Dubbo visit.

"I'm devastated — he has hurt me terribly," she said.

"It was hard to face for a long time.

"It's one of those things everyone's so upset about."

John and Jenny Deaves were found guilty last month of a single charge of performing an act of incest with the other.

Court documents show that the first child the pair conceived in 2001 died soon after being born from a congenital disease. They now have an apparently healthy nine-month-old baby girl.

The sentencing remarks show the pair were charged with two counts of incest in 2007 after police were tipped off about their relationship following an investigation by the Department for Families and Communities South Australia.

The pair were initially bailed on the condition that Mr Deaves have no contact with Ms Deaves or their child — a condition the judge said drove Mr Deaves to attempt suicide twice.

Judge Millsteed described the incestuous relationship as "unacceptable" but not one where a father “violated his daughter and used his position of authority to take advantage of her powerlessness".

The judge said he took into account the consensual nature of the relationship and the fact it didn't involve exploitation when recording a conviction.

The pair were placed on a three-year $500 good behaviour bond, with the condition they don't have a sexual relationship.

Mr Deaves told 60 Minutes sex with his daughter was "fantastic" even though he initially thought it was wrong.

"Emotions take over, as people no doubt realise, there are times during your life where emotions do rule the heart, it rules the head," he said.

"I knew it was illegal, of course I knew it was illegal but you know, so what."

The two reunited 30 years after Mr Deaves — who was once jailed for armed robbery — separated from his daughter's mother.

Ms Deaves said soon after meeting her father again, she began to see him as a man first and a father second.

"I was looking at him, sort of going, oh, he's not too bad," she said.

"Like you might look at a man across the bar at a nightclub."

South Australian police refused to comment on reports the pair were being monitored.

 
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How would the daughter feel if their daughter grows up and the Father-Grandfather decides she is desirable and wants to have a sexual relationship with her. Sick, as if there isn't enough people in the world to choose as your partner rather than steal your mothers husband.
It is immoral. Although not religious, I do believe that this is wrong. They knew they were father and daughter and they still embarked on a sexual relationship. This goes against eeveryting my parents taught me when I was growing up. I have children of my own and I always told them there were three things I would not tolerate from them.... abusing a woman, raping a person or abusing a child, it seems now there is one more thing to add to that. And before anyone jumps up and down saying what about murder. Well I know I would do anything to protect my children. Incest is disgusting.
Come on people, before you JUDGE, walk a mile in their shoes. Only GOD has the 'final' judgement on these people, let them live their lives.
I haven't seen the 60 mins report but from what I have been reading so far it seems to me that they have no idea how to have normal relationships, they say they haven't hurt anyone - Liars they created a child that died because of their actions. The children they have now need to be SAVED to stop further "relationships" within that so called family. Also alarming is the number of voters that don't believe incest should be a criminal offence.
Well, that made my stomach churn tremendously. Some people really are vile creatures- this is called CHILD ABUSE on so many levels. What a shame people like this are allowed to breed when people of high moral standing are stripped of the right to adopt. You have to love the hypocrisy of legislation. I hope they at least got their baby bonus to pay for some of the legal fees.
I am writing this commeny as a family member of this couple the 60 minutes story is full of half truths. The family has d for years to have some legal action taken and the children removed but becaused they are two constenting adult no one would help This man ever wanted to know his daughter until he decided to have sex with her. He left her mother when she was about two and ended in goal for armed robbery That when her mother divored him this man is bad news The family has been torn apart by this
I am astounded by this relationship. There is a reason these things are illegal, and its because of the giant biological implications from reproduction!!! Like most I cannot believe that they have put his and their children through this, being exposed.
I just wonder what DoCs has done about this. The children in this family will be subjected to bullying by their peers and also by people of all ages in the local community. I believe that Mr and Ms Deaves are not only breaking the law, they are being totally dismissive of what effects this could have on their children. They will be totally confused about what constitutes a family, what is legal and illegal and the rules of love! I think there is an amount of love and closeness that every family shares, but this family has stepped over the line, and the relationship should not be allowed to continue. I know that I would be devastated knowing that my grandfather was also my biological father and this would be traumatising for any child.
That is the most screwed up thing.
The baby may seem all right now, but it is highly possible that when she grows up she will carry abnormal baby (babies). Bad genes may skip one generation. It does get pass on.

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